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CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_


Reported by Urs Eppenberger/SWITCH

Minutes of the X.400 Operations Working Group (X400OPS)

Agenda


   o Introduction
   o Action List Review
   o Liaison Reports
   o Review Charter
   o GO-MHS Community Document
   o Review X.400 Operations Documents:
   o Presentation by Jeroen Houttuin on ``Mail based servers''
   o Presentation by Marko Kaittola on ``Table Distribution''
   o AOB and Plan for next meeting in Amsterdam


The Minutes do not follow the Agenda but provide two main sections,
liaison reports and document status.  All Agenda items have been grouped
into these two sections.  A list of actions is appended to make it
easier for the Working Group Chairs to track Action Items.  The Minutes
of the last X400-OPS meeting in Washington, DC were approved.

Review Charter

The Goals in the Charter of the X400OPS Group need to be reviewed.  The
references to OPS-* should be replaced by the names of the documents in
the Internet-Drafts Directory.  The title and time scale of
draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt (OPS-6) is not realistic.

Liaison Reports


   o IETF MHSDS Working Group.
     The main focus is on the establishment of a pilot by adding routing
     information to the directory to gain operational experience.  The
     Group hopes to have something to demonstrate at the next IETF in
     Amsterdam.

   o RARE WG-MSG Working Group on Mail and Messaging.
     A task force works on a number of documents on X.400(88)
     deployment.
     A lot of other documents have been sent for comments to both
     X400OPS and WG-MSG.
     WG-MSG is not a working group in the IETF sense, it is more like an
     IETF Area since it covers all mail protocols and is an ongoing
     Group which may split off chartered task forces.

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  WG-MSG has been approached by Allan if the postmaster document
  would be appropriate to be published as RARE Technical Report
  (RTR). The chairman of WG-MSG, Harald T. Alvestrand is positive
  about it.  It might be bundled with the GO-MHS requirement.

o EMA Electronic Mail Association.
  Nothing was reported.

o EEMA European Electronic Mail Association.
  Jim Romaguera reported from EEMA. He has been approached by some
  ADMD service providers with questions concerning the connection of
  their services to the Internet.  He will forward the questions to
  the X400-OPS list.
  Most interesting activities are in the EEMA PRMD operators group
  and in the EEMA ADMD operators group.  The problem is that they do
  not have electronic mailing lists for their discussions but do it
  with paper mail.  Maybe we could offer to host distribution lists
  and archives for them?

o COSINE-MHS Project.
  The new service is called MHS Coordination Service.  SWITCH got a
  contract by RARE to provide the staff and the required facilities.
  RARE is the umbrella organisation for research and academic
  networks in Europe.  The contract will be moved to the Operational
  Unit, once they have started operation.  The European members
  contribute to cost based on a cost key which is not fully decided
  yet, but key elements are the number of served organisations within
  a network and if the network uses the mapping tables or has
  registered a mapping.  50% of the total cost will be covered by the
  Commission of the European Countries.  It is possible that networks
  which use the MHS Coordination Service outside Europe will be asked
  for a contribution too.
  There was consensus that the Group supports migrating the Cosine
  MHS community to the GO-MHS Community, in principle.
  Jim pointed out, and others agreed, that this migration must be
  thought out.  Urs has to revise the Cosine MHS documents anyway, so
  he volunteered to write up a list of issues that are involved in
  the transition and send it to the list.
  There was a discussion about the relationship between the GO-MHS
  community and the MHS Coordination Service.  People felt that a
  community is not ``open'' in the Internet sense if one must pay to
  join it.  Erik Huizer pointed out that a GO-MHS coordination
  service must provide global coordination, regardless of financial
  contributions.  He pointed out that there are U.S. Internet
  coordination services which provide international services but are
  funded solely by the U.S., including the NIC and the IANA (naming
  authority).  There was a discussion that there is a difference
  between providing coordination and providing consulting and
  technical support.  Erik was going to work to see that the MHS
  Coordination service is able to provide coordination for the GO-MHS
  community regardless of financial contributions.  However,

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     consulting and technical assistance may be limited to contributing
     members of the service.

   o IESG Internet Engineering Steering Group.
     Erik Huizer, IESG Application Area Director, reported on the
     decision to create an Application Area Directorate which will
     investigate overall concepts for networked applications.  Priority
     is set for email and the character set issue.
     The document on Mail Based Servers is considered of broader
     interest and will be taken out of the X400OPS Group to be worked on
     by email experts for the SMTP and X.400 protocols.  However, the
     current version will be used as a requirements document by the MHS
     Coordination Service.


Document Status

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt
Old:    OPS-1
Title:  Operational Requirements for X.400 Management Domains in the
        GO-MHS Community
Status: This document will be sent to the IESG for consideration as
        Informational RFC.  Editorial comments can still be sent to
        Alf Hansen.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt
Old:    OPS-2a
Title:  Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
        Tables
Status: See next document

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
Old:    OPS-2b
Title:  Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
        Tables
Status: Both documents have been sent to IESG for consideration as
        Experimental RFCs.  Some IAB and IESG members consider the
        proposal as a misuse of DNS.  A separate meeting is scheduled
        at this IETF to discuss this issue.  The result may lead to a
        change of the documents 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-
        02.txt' and 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'.  A
        document on how to implement and integrate the proposals into
        the current service will be written by Claudio Allocchio and
        submitted as ID.
        A pilot for table distribution is already in place with a

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        central server for the tables in Italy.  A library of a few
        functions for building address converters and DNS loading
        tools together with a draft manual have just been finalised.
        It is not suggested to use this software until the issue of
        where in the tree to store the information has been solved.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mhs-service-05.txt
Old:    OPS-3
Title:  Routing coordination for X.400 MHS services within a multi
        protocol / multi network environment
        Table Format V3 for static routing
Status: It has been sent to the IESG for consideration as Experimental
        Standard.  The answer is expected soon.
        A number of typos have been reported during the meeting.
        Editorial comments may still be sent to the author Urs
        Eppenberger.
        The migration of the MHS Coordination Service to the new
        document format will start when the RFC is announced.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-mapsmail-02.txt
Old:    OPS-4
Title:  Mapping between X.400(1984/1988) and Mail-11 (DECnet mail)
Status: It has been accepted by the IESG as Experimental Standard RFC
        1405.
        HEPNET is a very large Mail-11 user community connected to
        X.400 and Internet SMTP.  They have been made aware of RFC1405
        (contact for the mail coordination group is Maria Dimou at
        CERN).  RFC1405 has been implemented in the GIVEME gateway of
        INFN.  It will also be integrated into PMDF from Innosoft.
        (Kevin, does CDC have a gateway to Mail-11?)

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt
Old:    OPS-5
Title:  X.400 use of extended character sets
Status: The document will be submitted by Harald Alvestrand to the
        IESG for consideration as Internet Standard.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt
Old:    OPS-6
Title:  Table distribution
Status: The concept was presented by Marko Kaittola.  The title of the
        document will change to reflect its content more clearly.  The
        question has been raised if this document can be enhanced to
        offer a similar mechanism for email routing updates as RIP is
        for IP routers.  The conclusion is that this is much more
        complex and needs more work.  The document will offer a
        pragmatic solution for tables.  An updated document is
        expected for the next IETF with the comments received.  The
        implementation is planned to start after the next IETF in
        Amsterdam.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt
Old:    OPS-7
Title:  Assertion of C=US A=IMX

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        This document is basically ready.  A warning should be added
        that PRMD names are limited to 16 characters.  The IESG is not
        in favour putting it on the standard track.  It will therefore
        be submitted as Informational RFC, but nevertheless sent to
        IESG to get an official review.  The IANA will act as registry
        even if the document is not defining a Standard.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-evaluation-admd-00.txt
Old:    OPS-8
Title:  Evaluation of ADMDs and Integration aspects with respect to
        the R&D messaging community
Status: The document has been distributed as ID on Feb 26, 1993.
        Comments are welcome.  It has not been discussed during the
        meeting.  It is planned as an Informational RFC.

ID:     draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt
Old:    OPS-9
Title:  Postmaster Convention for X.400 Operations
Status: The document has been accepted by the group as is.  It should
        be advanced as Proposed Standard.

ID:     not submitted yet
Old:    OPS-10
Title:  Explanation of how DNS should be used for Address Mapping and
        Routing purposes
Status: See status report on 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'.

ID:     not submitted yet
Old:    -
Title:  RFC1327 mapping authorities
Status: Comments are requested.  A new version with the comments
        integrated from the last MHS Managers meeting in Zurich will
        probably be ready by end of April.  The next face to face
        meeting on this document is planned for RARE WG-MSG at JENC 93
        in Trondheim.

ID:     draft-houttuin-rfc1327-tutor-01
Old:    -
Title:  RFC 1327 tutorial
Status: The document has been reviewed by the IESG and the RARE RTC
        and is expected to be published both as an Informational RFC
        and a RARE Technical Report this summer.



Action List


Jim Romaguera             To forward the questions from the ADMD
                          operators to the X400OPS list.
                          To update his document after a final call for
                          comments and send it to the RFC Editor for

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                          consideration as Informational RFC.

Erik Huizer               To work out the possibility of basing the
                          coordination point for the GO-MHS community on
                          a sound political basis.

                          To make sure that documents from other groups
                          (esp., RARE working groups) will have the
                          appropriate group name in the ID filename
                          instead of the author's surname.

MHS Coordination Service   To work out procedures for new members of
                          the GO-MHS community to join the coordination
                          service.

Alf Hansen                To send
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt to
                          the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area
                          Director, Erik Huizer for consideration of the
                          document as an Informational RFC.

Claudio Allocchio         To report to the X400OPS Group on the results
                          of the discussion with IAB/IESG on the usage
                          of DNS for mapping/routing tables.

                          To update the documents
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt and
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
                          according to the results of the preceding
                          action.

                          To write a document on the implementation of
                          the two proposals from the preceding action.

Urs Eppenberger           To wait for the decision of the IESG on his
                          document, do the final modifications and send
                          it to the RFC Editor.

Harald T. Alvestrand      To send draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-
                          01.txt to the IESG secretariat with a copy to
                          the Area Director, Erik Huizer for
                          consideration of the document as a Proposed
                          Standard.

Marko Kaittola            To update his document according to the
                          comments received, choose a new title and
                          prepare a new version for the next IETF
                          meeting in Amsterdam.

Einar Stefferud           To integrate the final comments to the
                          document draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt and
                          then send it to the IESG Secretariat for
                          consideration as an Informational RFC.

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Allan Cargille            To send draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt
                          to the IESG Secretariat with a copy to the
                          Area Director, Erik Huizer for consideration
                          of the document as a Proposed Standard.
All Group Members         To send comments to the mapping authority
                          paper in a timely fashion to the list or to
                          Jeroen Houttuin to allow him to create a new
                          version for the next RARE WG-MSG meeting at
                          JENC 93 in Trondheim.
Tony Genovese/Alf Hansen   To propose a revised version of the Charter.



Attendees

Claudio Allocchio        [e-mail]
Harald Alvestrand        [e-mail]
C. Allan Cargille        [e-mail]
Kevin Carosso            [e-mail]
George Chang             [e-mail]
Robert Cooney            [e-mail]
Thomas DeWitt            [e-mail]
Urs Eppenberger          [e-mail]
Jeroen Houttuin          [e-mail]
Erik Huizer              [e-mail]
Barbara Jennings         [e-mail]
Kevin Jordan             [e-mail]
Marko Kaittola           [e-mail]
John Klensin             [e-mail]
Mary La Roche            [e-mail]
Sylvain Langlois         [e-mail]
Bruce Mackey             [e-mail]
Ignacio Martinez         [e-mail]
Judy Nasar               [e-mail]
Edward Reed              [e-mail]
Jim Romaguera            [e-mail]
Yzhak Ronen              [e-mail]
Gary Rowe                [e-mail]
Sue Smith                smiths.es.net
Einar Stefferud          [e-mail]
Catherine Summers        [e-mail]
Louisa Thomson           [e-mail]
Panos-Gavriil Tsigaridas [e-mail]
Russ Wright              [e-mail]



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